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sullysteve
Hatchling

United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/10/2010 :  23:34:22  Show Profile  Visit sullysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i did try earlier, but she was too active. If i try and explain a little more. ..

Her skin is very slightly saggy around her neck. Approx 5 or 6 scales from her middle to her neck look like they are purtruding out and have changed color. Almos the color of wet aspen. Her nose seems to have gone like a grey color and looks wet almos like a dogs nose.

However, she doesent seem stressed at all. Infact, i have questioned (on here) a few times about how aggressive she has been. Biting all the time, but she hasnt gone to bite/strike at all since i found the regurge. completely active..... i am so confused.

I did check the temp....i have turned it down to 75F. The regurge was in the cool end, which makes me think that she was in the cool end cos the warm end was too hot for her. When i found the regurge, she was tucked away in the warm end next to a very small poop.

hope this helps a little more
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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master

USA
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Posted - 14/10/2010 :  00:44:56  Show Profile  Visit Snakesitter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Get someone to hold her if it helps, while you snap the picture. It's impossible to say without a real look, however well-intentioned the verbal description.

When was her last shed? Is she due or just entering? If so, that might explain it.

Wet nose by only look, or actual touch/fact? *If* actual (if not disregard), can you hear anything odd when she breathes? Listen very closely for a clicking or wheezing noise. Also, see if there is mucuous or bubbling around her nose. These are unlikely from your description, I'm just trying to be thorough.

So long as she has a cool end to retreat to, I'd leave the warm end where it was (assuming 82D or less). That allows her to move where she needs to be to feel better.

Again, a recent care history (along with the photo) would be helpful.

Fingers crossed,

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sullysteve
Hatchling

United Kingdom
107 Posts

Posted - 14/10/2010 :  06:54:30  Show Profile  Visit sullysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cheers cliff. I'll charge up my better camera and get some pics asap.
As for her nose, it's just looks wet but feels dry . She is due a shed anytime now. Infact, when I said earlier that I thought she was in shed because of her eyes, I was prob right. She my have gone to the clear stage and be due to rip it off soon.

Last feed was sun 10th. Then before that was 27th sept. 1x large fuzzy mouse each time.

I'll give you an update asap


Cheers
Sully
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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master

USA
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Posted - 14/10/2010 :  22:26:59  Show Profile  Visit Snakesitter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
OK, sounds good. As the skin symptoms sound visual only, I'll hope they are related to the shed, which we'll be able to better judge after she sheds. (Note: when she does shed, keep the skin, just in case, as it may have clues.)

That leaves just the regurg. Was she handled or exposed to odd conditions too soon after eating, by any chance?

In the meantime, keep an eye on the cage parameters, follow the points laid out in the guide, and I will watch for your post.

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sullysteve
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/10/2010 :  23:35:32  Show Profile  Visit sullysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ok.... No shed as yet, but the scales that I mentioned before, have now gone normal, however, her skin is very dry and chrispy and looks very saggy. There is lots of fresh water available and I have been keeping the humidity to 87%

Also, she done a big poop, which tells me that when I fed her last, she hadn't got rid of the last and that may have caused the regurge. Am I right?
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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master

USA
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Posted - 15/10/2010 :  00:18:48  Show Profile  Visit Snakesitter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The skin can get "crispy" the day before they shed, and is usually a sign the skin change is imminent. Your water and humidity sound fine. Can't hurt to mist her cage an extra time each day til she sheds, though.

Some snakes poop every meal, others every second. I have one who waited almost three meals and a month (he was in shed at the end, though). Did the poop look normal? If so, it's a good sign, it means her system is working.

Is your usual delay between feedings 14 days (09/27 then 10/10), or was that unusually long?

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sullysteve
Hatchling

United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/10/2010 :  07:35:54  Show Profile  Visit sullysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This is going to sound disgusting, but the poop was more White than black and had a paste consistency with no smell. I haven't seen that many poops from her to compare what is normal. I just know it was all soft almost like a blob of oil paint.

I have only had to feed her twice since having her. Her records show a feed every 9 - 14 days. I'm slowly gonna change to weekly once I have helped her to recover from the regurgitate experience.

Cliff, you really are a inspiration to the BRB keepers society. I really appreciate the way you are helping me on this.

TO ALL ADMIN/MODS......I PERSONALLY THINK THIS TOPIC SHOULD BECOME A STICKY.
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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master

USA
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Posted - 15/10/2010 :  20:08:21  Show Profile  Visit Snakesitter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Snakes produce two types, white and brown. Both are normal. Soft is better than hard. Trust me when I tell you that low-scent is better than not, lol. ;-)

Any time, Brazilians are worth it.

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sullysteve
Hatchling

United Kingdom
107 Posts

Posted - 15/10/2010 :  20:28:43  Show Profile  Visit sullysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I suppose i just got to leave her for 2 or 3 weeks while her insides build back up, then she will be foghting 100% fit!!!

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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master

USA
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Posted - 15/10/2010 :  22:20:35  Show Profile  Visit Snakesitter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You are correct -- just double whatever her normal meal lag time is, and give her plenty of stress-free R&R in the meantime! She'll do fine, she's got a smart Dad with you!

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hiper2009
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Posted - 16/10/2010 :  13:38:23  Show Profile  Click to see hiper2009's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I also think this thread should become a sticky too its packed with info that is usful as well as helping others.
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