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Shinslayer19
New Member
USA
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 Posted - 02/02/2011 : 23:11:59
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| Haha I would prefer a female brazilian, I can find people who have them for sale. I just started a new job, So no spare cash atm haha. |
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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master
USA
2718 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 00:19:56
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| OK. Offer stands though, any time you need help. Congrats, BTW, on the new job! |
Cliff Earle
Living Gems Reptiles
Premium Brazilian Rainbow Boas from a disease-tested facility
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Shinslayer19
New Member
USA
71 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 00:36:51
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| Thanks. Where are you located? |
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hiper2009
Banned
United Kingdom
845 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 12:56:30
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Hi Congrads on your new job , Will be good to hear if your going to be buying a breeding partner  . |
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JKCarter
New Member
USA
90 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2011 : 14:10:30
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Wow...it is a small world Shinslayer. I just looked at your location and realized you are in Louisville, that's where I'm from originally. Born and raised until about 8 yrs ago when I joined the military and left.
If you're looking for a BRB breeder there locally, look into Will Bird at http://www.ectotherms.net/ He has some beautiful animals and just had his first litter of 2011.
I've communicated with him via email once before and he seemed pleasant enough and was willing to meet me while I was in town so I could pickup.
Hope to see ya around the forum sometime. If you need anything let me know. |
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boas (Vinni & Scarlet)
1.0 Yellow Niger Uromastyx (Taji)
0.1 Crested Gecko (Unnamed)
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Shinslayer19
New Member
USA
71 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2011 : 16:08:18
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| Thanks Carter, and yes it is a small world. I just moved here about two years ago now. I am checking out his site now. |
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gluttony32
New Member
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 18/08/2011 : 17:48:51
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| I have to agree with Cliff on the not breeding 2 different subspecies together... its pointless, by diluting the gene pool you are making snakes that are undesireable. I dont know of a single person that would buy a col/braz. hybrid. your obviously not learned enough on genetics since you dont know the difference between hets and traits. Also get urself together, "hybrids are a bad idea"..and in the same sentence you say you enjoy hybrids..what are u talking about. I believe Hybridization is a last resort to generate money in a flooded market by unethical breeders. If it doesnt happen naturally in the wild it should not happen in the lab. |
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CDN_Blood
Rainbow oddball
Canada
489 Posts |
Posted - 18/08/2011 : 22:03:29
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Originally posted by gluttony32
I have to agree with Cliff on the not breeding 2 different subspecies together... its pointless, by diluting the gene pool you are making snakes that are undesireable. I dont know of a single person that would buy a col/braz. hybrid. your obviously not learned enough on genetics since you dont know the difference between hets and traits. Also get urself together, "hybrids are a bad idea"..and in the same sentence you say you enjoy hybrids..what are u talking about. I believe Hybridization is a last resort to generate money in a flooded market by unethical breeders. If it doesnt happen naturally in the wild it should not happen in the lab.
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TODD
25 Years of Commitment and Responsibility in Private Herpetoculture |
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gmac
Grumpy Scots Admin
United Kingdom
710 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2011 : 10:26:17
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I shall be a bit controversial here by the looks and say I really have no objection whatsoever to hybrid snakes, so long as when they are marketed they are identified as such, I cant comment on telling the difference by appearance as they havent been produced to date. There will always be people looking for that something different. And as far as I know I don't see any reason for hybrids not being produced in the wild and not in a lab, perhaps geographically for the boas but I cant see any reson for the likes of the corn, ratsnakes and kings breeding in the wild, is always a possibility.
"If its not available in the wild then it shouldnt happen in the lab" from my very limited understanding of the BRB there are 3 traditional morphs (hypo, anery and ghost, so far) of these 3 there is one captive bred morph which is the ghost. Again colour and pattern type BRB's are all line bred to enhance traits and are all readily available it is exactly the same as the corn snake morphs. All breeders and I include myself in this will try to produce the best morphs, colours and patterns we can when breeding snakes it is just part and parcel of snake keeping / breeding.
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CDN_Blood
Rainbow oddball
Canada
489 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2011 : 12:36:03
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Originally posted by gmac
All breeders and I include myself in this will try to produce the best morphs, colours and patterns we can when breeding snakes it is just part and parcel of snake keeping / breeding.
Now see, this is what forums are all about - to get people thinking, talking and sharing ideas from which we can all learn 
I actually feel totally opposite about keeping snakes. I don't breed them because there aren't enough serious keepers in my area that I feel would commit to the animals, but if I did at some point decide to breed a few, I'd make every effort to maintain the original species, and I think where Epicrates is concerned, there is just no way I'd want to dilute the gene pools. I do have a Columbian subspecies and an Argentine ssp. but would never let them mate. I find the two distinct animals much too beautiful as they are, and would not want to distract from their individual beauty by mixing them.
I'm the same with my Bloods - I have a female Borneo Blood and 2 male Malaysian Bloods, but would never let them get busy with one another because again, they're simply too beautiful to allow the gene pool to get muddy and detract from either subspecies natural beauty, not to mention how frowned-upon it is mix them in Blood Python circles. I'd be ostracized by my Blood buddies, and I'd deserve it.
I feel it's my duty as a responsible keeper to ensure preservation of the natural lineage.
To add a touch of confusion, I do have a Morelia intergrade in the house. As much as I like the snake, I did not seek her-out or pay for her - I would never purposely acquire or pay for an intergrade or a even worse, a hybrid. Someone asked me to take-in this animal after she was left behind by an owner who didn't want her anymore. She's a stunning snake, but again, I'd never let her breed because she is an intergrade.
The intergrade vs. hybrid thing is something we should perhaps mention here as we are in fact debating an intergrade and not a hybrid. Intergrades are when 2 subspecies of the same family are mixed, and a hybrid is when 2 snakes of separate families are mixed. As this debate is about a Brazilian being mixed with a Columbian, any resulting offspring would be Epicrates cenchria intergrades, just for the record.
I strongly urge anyone not to create intergrades or hybrids, I (or anyone I know) would never even consider purchasing one and I personally frown on the idea of supporting such breeding projects, but it's not like I can stop someone from doing it, and it's not like we all share the same values. As long as there are those like myself out there who believe in preserving the naturally occurring species & subspecies to balance those who think it's okay to pollute the gene pools, all I can do is hope it does balance itself out in the end.
If you've ever visited my website, you've noticed that I'm all about ethics and responsibility. After being in the game for 24 years, seeing some of the things I've seen and seeing how the hobby has changed to radically over the past few years, I seem to be a bit of a dinosaur with my idea that it's all about ethics, but I'll stand-by my ethics to my last breath, thank you, lol.
This is a hot topic in my books and I feel very strongly about it, so please excuse me if I seem to be ranting a bit. I'd be happy to debate this - or any other topic - with anyone via email or IM 
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TODD
25 Years of Commitment and Responsibility in Private Herpetoculture |
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gmac
Grumpy Scots Admin
United Kingdom
710 Posts |
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I.D. of my rainbow?
