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daveinflames
New Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13/08/2010 : 09:22:20
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Im not sure fi any of you here use the lush products, or have seen the article relating to us herp keepers?
http://www.lush.co.uk/articles/our_ethical_campaigns/a_far_cry_from_nature.html
After reading this a while ago and alot of the mis information in here alot of us (the darksiders/RFUK) are doing a nationwide campagain this weekend which involves handing out printed flyers (which are being finalized as i write this) near stores and handing them out to your local pet shops etc if anyone is interested ill be posting a link to the final flyer here anyway but i will be in Croydon this weekend if anyone local wishes to join me :)
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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master
USA
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Posted - 17/08/2010 : 20:50:41
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Bravo, David!
The anti-herp nonsense, unfortunately, seems to be hitting everywhere at once. Just this year in the US, we've had to fight:
--National initiatives, based on poor science that theorized large constrictors could "colonize" the lower third of the United States (ha!), both in congress itself (bills S-373 and HR-2811) and in department inquiries
--Multiple state initiatives, such as California's attempt to ban turtles and frogs from the pet trade
--City and local initiatives, such as one in Los Angeles that would have prohibited stacking cages for "the safety of the animals"
I act as the Legislative Chairman for my local herp society, and it's all I can do just to keep up with the madness!
I wish you the best of luck in your efforts, and urge more people to post/act in support. If we as a worldwide herp community do not start pushing back hard, we're going to lose this one in the long term.
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daveinflames
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/08/2010 : 06:17:46
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| It seems after all the campagining across the UK lush removed all its nonsense posters and flyers from instores but many people are still doing work with the ASA so fingers crossed LUSH get some reprecussions for its slander :) |
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Welly
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/08/2010 : 10:34:15
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That is so wrong and mis leading it's auite funny.
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Breeding reptiles in captivity for the pet trade causes suffering on a huge scale. According to the Animal Protection Agency, many commercial reptile-breeding operations in the UK routinely operate outside of the law, are unlicensed and un-inspected, and conditions are invariably inhumane.
These animals are kept clean, in good health and with the right temps as per the wild. IS there a law against it?
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Some dodgy dealers readily claim that reptiles are easier to keep than dogs!
Well i'd side with the "dodgy dealer" You don't need to feed them every day, you don't need to take them for walks, you don't hear of a snake attacking it's owner or a child, you don't need injections every year, i have never heard anyone complain about a noisey reptile.
Need i go on...
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There is very little reliable information available on basic reptile care. Guidance found on websites, care-sheets and guide books can be misleading, false and even dangerous; good quality information is largely inaccessible to the general public
That is the biggest load of bull locks i have heard. I'm currently doing a herp study course. There is more infomation at a key stroke then you need. Books, web pages, dvds even forums like this one in a multi national areana. I will say that some info is misleading but you can generally cut through the crap quite quickly with a little bit of research
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Even pet shops set a bad example to customers. For example, reptiles should never be kept in glass tanks. In the wild, reptiles don't encounter glass boundaries and never adapt to cope with them
Dogs don't encounter cars in the wild yet they get hit by them.
Fish don't encounter Glass in the wild yet they don't seem to mind so much.
I think if this was actuall fact then you'd find a lot of belly up snakes.
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the true scale of the trade is actually much larger and is driving many species towards extinction.
No, man kind is driving these animals to extinction. By reclaiming land across the world we are wiping out more and more natural habitats.
For example the Axolotls are now only found in a few canals in Mexico. Yet this animal will still live on and is being bred in captivity and will one day hopefully be put back to the wild. Keeping this animal alive and allowing it to be studied is needed for the future.
Dare i mention Panda's, certain birdsetc. It's not just reptiles.
I'm not saying that all owners/breeders are the same and are all above board. But i have yet to come across a "dodgy dealer".
I know of more puppy farms, mis treatment of animals in all other areas of pets over reptiles.
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Snakesitter
Rainbow Master
USA
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Posted - 18/08/2010 : 18:58:22
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David: glad to hear they backed down…and even more glad to hear the ASA is still keeping up the pressure! Nail those $*@#)$ and set a good example!!! (Irony: isn’t LUSH a cosmetic company, and doesn’t that industry have a horrible track record with animals?)
Welly, great post.
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For example, reptiles should never be kept in glass tanks. In the wild, reptiles don't encounter glass boundaries and never adapt to cope with them
That has to be the single most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard. Technically, in nature my ancestors never encountered Pizza Hut, but I seem to have adapted quite well.
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That is so wrong and misleading it's quite funny.
Well, it would be…if it weren’t for the fact that by repeating these lies so often, the crowd behind them makes them seem real by repetition. A standard tactic in the US is to raise a ruckus over a snake found in a community, misidentify it, and let the papers report all about it – including repeating some of the same lies as LUSH did. The (tiny if at all) correction never occurs before the damage is done.
For example, check this out:
<http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/07/20/2010-07-20_5foot_yellow_snake_appears_in_garbage_pile_in_bronx_eventually_captured_by_cops.html>
Gotta love the photo (check the caption), the multiple quotes by an herp-unfriendly attendant, or the fact it took three officers 20 minutes.
Or this one:
<http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7578799>
It’s really more of an argument for policing the old (and well armed!) than the scaled, but the paper doesn’t acknowledge that. (Gotta love the biasing reference to Komodos.)
Or this one, which takes the cake:
<http://ksax.com/article/stories/S1683743.shtml?cat=10230>
“Black mamba”?!
You make a great point on “captive conservation” (the term we use on this side of the pond), as it really is the best hope for many herp species’ future. I wish more people had your knowledge in this area.
By the way, have either of you – or anyone else reading this forum, for that matter -- investigated the “Animal Protection Agency,” which seems to be the name behind this movement?
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